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Post by cayen on Jul 6, 2009 12:00:02 GMT -5
A Franks box is a sweeping radio scan box that was created by Frank Sumption. His original devices are excellent for spirit communication. At this time it is unknown if Frank himself imparts a bit of psychic power onto the box to make them so strong. Attempts to recreate Frank's original box designs haven't worked (though I might be wrong). also at this time the only way to get an original Frank's box is to be gifted with one by Frank himself. currently none are available for purchase from Frank himself.
While an original Frank's box maybe out of reach a new craze, the ghost box, can be created. While it's not as effective at communication like the Frank's box peopole are getting results from these boxs. Only certain radios can be modded to do ghost box communication, most of those come from Radio Shack.
These devices are STRONGLY experimental I have had some interesting things with them. I've heard the box call out my name, call out the names of others, and cuss. While these might just be coincidence from the fragments of radio stations, it's ultimately hard to tell. I do not fore see this piece of equipment becoming a standard for the investigator, however for now it needs more experimention.
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Post by tracinofs77 on Jul 6, 2009 12:01:43 GMT -5
How do we get one of these to expierement with?? we are always looking for new equipment ot expierment with  .. I'd be happy to talk to you more about it 
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Post by cayen on Jul 6, 2009 12:06:33 GMT -5
The Shack Hack you can build yourself with minimal effort. I can post instructions on how to modify the various versions, the problem is most of the versions that can be hacked are being discountinued by Radio Shack. I can also mod a box for you, the cost isn't too bad. My cost is made up from the cost of the radio, my time, and shipping. In this case I prefer a model 20-125 for my hacks, 20 bucks for labor, and then however much shipping is. So around $65 bucks...
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Post by The Paranormals-Celtic on Jul 6, 2009 12:16:34 GMT -5
We had a Paranormal Systems Mini Box for a brief time which is a smaller more compact version of the Franks box....We could never get anything on it so it was sold...lol
You can find video instruction on Youtube to make a Radio Shack hack.
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Post by cayen on Jul 6, 2009 12:27:21 GMT -5
And that is why it's experimental. I had a guy completely discount it till his sister died, and he decided to try it out and see what he could get. From what he told me it was saying things that could not of possibly been radio fragments. Also the speech he was getting was consistent across every radio station.
Again I have to weigh, is this a good research device: No; Is it a good experimental device which has produced interesting evidence: yes.
I don't recommend most groups using this for an investigation, then using it as evidence of a haunting. Now if you use it, and it says something related to the house "14 people died here axed down by (so and so)" you did research on the home and verified it, then...I don't know, I would have to include it.
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Post by cayen on Jul 6, 2009 12:43:27 GMT -5
okay tell me which kind of Radio you can get (12-469 (White)) the 12-470, or the 20-125)
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Post by The Paranormals-Celtic on Jul 6, 2009 14:03:55 GMT -5
Im sorry, You cannot validate evidence using something that scans radio frequencies. You will always "hear" something, its the same with EVP's, power of persuasion, if I think I hear something and tell someone else, chances are, they will hear what you said. When we used it we constantly got Hank Williams Sr and Patsy Cline, was it the ghost of these people, no, it was the radio. It will always be expiremental. I dont see a use for this in scientific investigations.
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Post by cayen on Jul 6, 2009 14:12:16 GMT -5
Very true statement TN! I agree completely. From what I've noticed most of the time you get static and nothing. You can actually figure out what is mindless babble and what is intelligent speech. This is why I don't recommend usage in an investigation. I actually had a session in which everyone in the room was convinced that the spirit of one person's grandmother was coming through. Everyone in the room could hear her english accent. Well everyone but me, I couldn't make out a single word they were talking about.
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Post by Helen on Jul 6, 2009 20:00:19 GMT -5
I built the Hack box and have found it more trouble than it is worth. The scanning of the frequencies is annoying to say the least. I was never sure if it was the station it stopped at or was it paranormal. I found the instructions on You Tube and was rather easy. What the heck you will only be out less than $20.00. With all the money I spend on equipment what was 20.00 if it worked 
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Post by chriscook71 on Jul 7, 2009 0:39:18 GMT -5
I agree with TN, you cannot validate evidence gathered from a Frank's box, but you can't automatically discount it either. For that matter, ALL paranormal evidence can be scrutinized to the point of dismissal if you try hard enough. EVP's can be marked down to extraneous sounds filtering in. Photographs can all be marked up as shadows, or reflections. It's a tool that in my opinion should be used with an open mind and a great deal of reserve. The group I work with have used it on some occasions and not gotten a peep, then we have used it and gotten VERY specific answers that related to our questions. We were in a haunted bed and breakfast and got voices to tell us the name of the owner of the house (it was correct) and respond to several questions. At one point we were having severe fluctuations in temperature and someone asked out loud what could be causing that and the voice from the box said "It's "Hells Fire"...validated evidence, nope. But, interesting. If you make a shack-hack, be sure to get a split cable so that you can power speakers and run it to a digital voice recorder as well AND have a voice recorder running "open air" to gather your questioning. Just have fun with it. It's experimental, so experiment. Form your own opinions.
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Post by chriscook71 on Jul 7, 2009 0:44:31 GMT -5
I might add...the reason I tell everyone to make sure to run it into a voice recorder is that sometimes when you do your evidence review you will hear answers that were very hard to hear when you did your session. You will pick out some very interesting tidbits here and there.
But, the people who have posted previously are absolutely correct. It's a very experimental piece of equipment and is probably best looked at as a paranormal "toy" rather than a tool. Personally I think they are a lot of fun, but I know people who hate them.
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Post by moniquetn on Jul 8, 2009 19:38:10 GMT -5
You can validate evidence gathered from a Frank's box, if you keep good records on evidence captured by other devices. You can also compare your evidence to historical records. Just because it's radio waves, does not mean they can not be altered by spirits.... Frankly, I just heard the radio when I tried out the HACK BOX, but how many times have I just heard myself talking when I was listening for a EVP? A lot! It's always good to experiment. I wouldn't experiment in a private case, but if it's a public place... why not?  Monique
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Post by The Paranormals-Celtic on Jul 8, 2009 20:28:37 GMT -5
The slightest chance to validate is if you were to get a name, then your still dealing with the power of persuasion. With the Mini Box we had, the box itself gave off EMF readings aswell as the actual Franks Box we came in contact with. Even with a name its still 50/50 chance of any kind of validation, how many people had the same"name" that worked at a location or is buried in a cemetery. Now if you were to get a full name thats a much better chance to validate, but seriously, how often does that happen? Fact of the matter is we still dont know squat about the paranormal, is a "ghost" the spirit of a human? we do not know.....
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Post by spooked1 on Jul 9, 2009 1:47:38 GMT -5
My Franks box just keeps repeating the same word........ George! ... Once in a while it might say something else. But for the most part it just keeps saying George. The funny thing is that's my last name. Go figure.
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Post by moniquetn on Jul 9, 2009 8:59:15 GMT -5
Have you told the spirit to stop saying your name, and say something else lol
I agree with CELTIC - it's all theory, and that's the fun part of investigating.... it's looking into the unknown.
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